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In this episode, in this chaotic, unfiltered episode, we dive headfirst into the Mackenzie Shirilla case, the viral 2022 Ohio car crash, and the explosive Netflix documentary The Crash. We break down the footage, the courtroom drama, the forensic evidence, and the internet’s obsession with whether this was a tragic accident or an intentional act.

This is not a polished true‑crime recap — this is an unscripted, unhinged conversation where we question everything, react in real time, and unpack the wildest details the documentary left out.

Was this murder? Was it reckless driving? Was the documentary biased? We’re unpacking it all. 

Transcript

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I don't know how they keep up with everything.

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I I I don't. I don't.

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I really don't. It makes my brain hurt.

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I did not mean to cut off kinda, but I was very excited when I heard no hard feelings.

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Kinda.

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unknown 3:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

What are we discussing tonight? We're going to talk about the case that everybody's talking about, and hopefully, this will be the last time until the 20, late 2030s.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Yes. By request. We are doing this by request, and probably the only time we will.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

And honestly, we didn't want to do a deep dive into this. Now, I want to start out by saying we're going to talk about the crash, McKenzie Sherilla, and the crash, this new Netflix documentary that has come out that everybody has an opinion on that everybody is talking about. Now, the reason we're doing this is very simple. This story, if if you recall, started out as a very small, tragic story where some teenagers crashed into a building, two of them lost their lives, one of them ended up in critical condition. This started out as a very basic, small story where it was just a tragic accident. And I I say just, I don't mean to discount it at all. No, not at all. But this was this was a tragic accident in Ohio, amongst all of the other tragic accidents that were happening all over the world. There was there was nothing defining about this. This was a crash that involved three kids, let's just say kids, that that ended up in tragedy. And it's a small story. And the reason why I'm telling you this is because we are of the firm belief that a lot of the small stories that we cover start out just like this. They start out as these small tragedies that as you dig deeper into them, like Joe Powell, you start uncovering layers, and as you start uncovering layers, you start uncovering more secrets and lies. And this is why we do what we do here at The Last Clue is we we look at these stories at face value and then we start digging. This is the same that happened here. Now, with the Netflix documentary, it got a lot of hype. But the problem with that was is there were already at least two or three specials out on this story already, and that's what kind of threw me for a loop. Now, help me remember, because this is my Microsoft 97 processor, you were familiar with the story when we sat down to watch the crash.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Yes, I had heard about it back when it happened in 2022, and you know, I I had I'd seen the news story come out about the crash, and that it was being that the boys had lost their lives, and that they were starting to do an investigation because of pardon the pun, the turning point where everything seemed normal, looked normal. It was a tragic accident until they saw that recording of the acceleration of the car to over a hundred miles an hour, and then they started digging deeper and they got the event data recorder from the car, and then and just from it going from a standard turn down a street to a missile into a building.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

And and the reason I asked is because I was not familiar with the story. If I had heard the story before, I had forgotten it. And that's just that's me being as honest as I can be. If I knew of this story in 2022 or beyond, I had I had forgotten about the story. The first thing that I saw, I can tell you right when I really learned about it, was I had seen something earlier in the day, about a week and a half, two weeks ago, and we were sitting on our couch in the game room, and I said, Oh, babe, there's a new documentary coming out on Netflix, and it might be interesting. And so I scooted next to her on the couch and showed her the trailer of this documentary, and almost immediately once it was done, she goes, I I remember that story. I was like, Yeah, the McKenzie Sherilla story. I just saw the car blaze down the street, and I was like, That that seems like something we should at least pay attention to, but you already knew about it.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

I did. I it and it's very interesting to me. And there, and I think there were some people, there's been a division. Was this intentional or was this an accident? And I think based on watching the crash and some of the other documentaries that are out there, the majority is guilty because that's what she was found in a bench trial.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

So for those of you who may not know what we're talking about, in the early morning hours of July 31st, 2022, 17-year-old Mackenzie Sherilla, her 20-year-old boyfriend Dominic Russo, and a 19-year-old friend, Davion Flanagan, had left some type of party in Ohio. That that even is kind of information. I don't know who to trust. You you hear if you listen to these different documentaries, you hear one say it was a high school graduation party, which threw me off. It didn't necessarily throw you off, but for me, growing up in Oklahoma, our high school graduation parties were in May because we went to school until May, and then it was over. But it's more common in this region for school to go through.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Well, it was back when I was going to school up there. I mean, I'm old, but I went to school in the 1900s.

unknown 9:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

So I tell people that all the time.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

So growing up in Michigan, like we didn't get out of school until mid-June.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

So they leave whatever party this is. Sherilla is driving her 2018 Toyota Camry, Russo's in the front passenger seat, Davion Flanagan is in the back seat. There's a high-speed impact, which again, if you've watched the crash, I assume by listening to this podcast, you most likely have. Because spoiler alert, we're going to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

We are, but I also have to say there might be some people in the UK or overseas that aren't familiar with it because there was a one that we were going to try to watch last night that we couldn't we didn't have access to.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

We need to talk to the sound.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

The sound 228, please reach out. We have some questions for you.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Yeah, there's a documentary over there that we don't have over here yet, and we may need to do a dual podcast on that. But be that as it may. There was a high-speed impact in in this crash, obviously. Sherilla driving. Surveillance caught the car going at or maybe a little above 100 miles an hour. There was a vent data recorder that showed she was at 100. She never hit the brakes and slammed into a brick building. Russo and Flanagan died at the scene. Sherilla was critically injured and was airlifted to the hospital. Now, this was July 31st, 2022. So the next day is August. So don't take don't read anything into this. But August of 2022 is when the investigation began. The investigation began almost immediately, but with it being the last day of July, it makes it sound like, oh my God, they waited a month. No, they didn't. They waited a few hours.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Yeah, so they had to start. Of course, there's going to be an investigation. It was a fatality. And then they saw these things on cameras and and whatnot, and from the event data recorder or the black box of the car. And it they had just treated it as loss of control of the vehicle. Sure. And they inspected it and found no mechanical failure. They drew blood on the airlift air flight of Mackenzie to the hosp hospital. There was no signs of impairment other than THC in her blood toxicology. And I mean, that accelerator was at a hundred percent for five seconds.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

And let me just interject something here. This is this is totally out of the story realm and everything else, but I feel like I have to say this. For the love of everything that's holy, if you did not know personally Dominic, or you did not personally know Davion, don't go to their damn graveside. No. I cannot believe that we have to address this, but seriously. That's a sacred place. Just because you watched a documentary and you feel like you know these characters. I mean, when Batman died in the comic books that one time, I didn't go to his grave, and I love Batman. Do not go and visit the grave of two young men that died in a tragic accident. You don't know them. You may feel like you know them by listening to these podcasts, by watching these Netflix documentaries, by reading up on all the latest news and gossip and everything else. Shut up. You didn't know them. Do not go to their damn gravesides. I'm done. I'm back to my no-shift coffee.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

We have a moment of silence while he has his no-shift.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

A moment of silence for that cup of coffee that I almost just downed. Yeah. I mean, goddamn common sense. Common sense. It's a superpower. It's a superpower. Certainly is now.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

This, so this is kind of this is basically our opinion, our take on it, what we thought of the documentary, what we think of the entire situation. So there's the whole backstory where witnesses recalled Sherilla threatening to crash a car with Russo inside weeks before the crash. And starting in 2023, she had a bench trial. So opted not to have a jury.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

And that was her decision. Her yeah. Her her attorney.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Well, we didn't hear a whole lot from the attorney on the Netflix documentary, her attorney.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

And he was supposedly a very well-known attorney in that area of.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

I'm not I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Okay. So as someone who has watched multiple documentary style shows filmed, just random ass shows that I've that somehow I have been a part of, not necessarily a part of, but seen filmed. Everything's framed by the director, the producer, whatever. They want you to see what they want you to see. If you think that you're walking into a documentary that is going to be 100% unbiased, you've lost your mind. You might as well commit yourself now. There is no such thing as a 100% unbiased documentary. It's just not out there. It's not from the dawn of time, since the very first documentary, there's no such thing as an unbiased documentary. They will let you see exactly what they want you to see. It's just like I will plant my flag in the ground and I will die with this opinion. I believe that The Jinx, The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst, is the greatest documentary series I have ever seen. It was so good. And I would absolutely love to shake hands and have about five or ten minutes with Andrew Girecki to just sit and and talk with him because the what had to go into that documentary is incredible. It it was absolutely mind-blowing. But even if I had Andrew Gerecki here with or without True Serum, he's gonna tell me that that wasn't 100% unbiased. He had formulated opinion as you watch the episodes. He had he had shown you he was showing you facts and he was showing you what he thought and what he knew, but still it wasn't 100% unbiased, and he liked Robert Durst. He liked Robert Durst.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

That documentary is still just absolutely mind-blowing. So there's no such thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

There's no such thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

No, uh speaking of you said email in. We got fan mail this week.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

We did get fan mail. We did get fan mail. We love getting fan mail every day. We love getting fan. But we got we got kind of a special piece of fan mail this week.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

We did, so we love you too, Lisa. Thank you. That really helped with a very stressful week. But back to the trial and the conviction, after on the bench trial, it was argued by prosecution that it was premeditated murder suicide attempt. And her defense claims she suffered a medical episode. Right. POTS.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome causing blackouts. Now, this is where I'm going to call mom, dad, sisters, brother, older people cover the youngsters' ears because I'm going to say a bad word. Pots. I'm calling bullshit right now.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

TV mature words, kids.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah. T V M A. So if we want to break down pots in a nutshell very quickly, that's going to happen from the laying down to standing position. How often do you lay down in a car when you're driving?

SPEAKER_01 17:37

I don't lay down if I'm in the backseat of a car because I one, I'm one of those people. I I get nauseous in the backseat of a car. Even even when you have brought me from like urgent care or when I recently had surgery or whatever, I didn't sit in the back of the car. I didn't lay down. I didn't do anything. I sat in the front with you because I will get nauseous in the back of a car.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

How often do you stand up in a car? In a car.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

The last time was probably my mom's big huge white tank cougar car when I was three. The seatbelt law hasn't always been a seatbelt law, kids. I hate to tell you.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

It has not. It has not.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I've laid in the back windshield of a car before and and looked for license plates.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Yes. So what I'm trying to get, I am not saying that pots is across the board for everybody. Everybody has it exactly the same. But when you're talking about postural and orthostatic, your blood pressure is going low when you go from a lying or sitting position to standing. Get up off the couch, stand there, hold your head for a minute, have to sit back down. That's a little bit of orthostatic hypotension. Your blood pressure's getting low. But that can be an onset of POTS. It's not typically something that just happens as you're driving down the road and you're like, oh pass out, hit your head. Not saying it cannot happen, but that would be a very rare case. So again, POTS, bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Well, I mean, clearly it was because uh the the judge even pointed that out on the documentary. And again, we haven't we haven't seen all of the footage from the courtroom. We've only seen what the documentary has put out and then some other footage that we have looked at. But there's a huge difference. I could say on this podcast right now that I have pots.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

That's funny that you say that because I was going to. I was like, I was gonna say, oh, excuse me, I just got really lightheaded and about fainted. I was having a pots episode. Yeah. Don't come at me. I spent an endoclinic.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Kenzie Sherilla may have very well had pots. That's that's fine. Was she diagnosed with it? No, because her mom sat on the stand and said she wasn't diagnosed with it. She had it. Well, sometimes I have a good attitude, but there's other times I don't. There's sometimes I have a good hair day. I haven't I haven't been diagnosed with a good attitude until you're diagnosed with something, you don't have it.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Show me the EKG, show me the EEG, show me anyway. So again, pots. No, disputing, debunking that right now because it says it straight there in the name of the medical anomaly. Postural orthostatic tachycardia. She was not postural in a car, she's not going from laying to sitting, from sitting to standing, from laying to standing, any of that.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Oh, McKenzie's mom could argue that.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

Well Natalie. Natalie, please email us info at smithmedia teamlc.com because I would love to have a conversation with you.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

She's too busy allegedly running the free McKenzie Sherilla Facebook group. There have been multiple allegations that that free McKenzie Sherilla Facebook page is solely put together by most likely one person, but definitely two. Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

And I'm gonna say this I I was on the fence for a very, very, very long time about this case where I thought it could be an accident. Maybe I still do. I just can tell you right now, it's not it was not pots. That's what I can tell you. And there might still be some people that are on the fence that do believe this was an accident. It we could it i it it's possible because I still have questions myself. I I I do. But in any case, the judge did find her guilty.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Judge Nancy Margaret Russo.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

And that's another point of contention. Oh, well, she found her guilty because she was related to Dom. No. If she was related to Dominic's family, there would have been a conflict of interest and she would have been recused. So It's it's it's not an uncommon last name. Let's let's just say that. So in any case, Mackenzie was found guilty and is in prison for at least 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

I would like to know where Vince Russo stands on this. Vince Russo. I don't give a crap what Vince Russo thinks. He destroyed professional wrestling, but that's another podcast for another day.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

I was thinking of Blossom Russo, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

I was kind of angry, other than Dominic and his family. I'm kind of angry with the whole Russo clan. Well, and Judge Nancy. I wonder if Judge Nancy's gonna get a TV show out of this.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

She didn't seem to have the personality, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

She was kind of Judge Judy-ish, especially when Natalie Sherilla was doing her quote unquote victim impact statements because they weren't towards the victim at all. They were towards they were about her daughter.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Funny you say the word victim. When we come back after a short break, I want to talk about the word victim. So now we talked about Judge Russo found Mackenzie Sherrilla guilty on 12 felony counts. Four counts of murder, four counts of felonious assault, two of aggravated vehicular homicide, plus drug possession and possessing criminal tools. Don't do shrooms, kids. Now, one thing I disagree with Judge Russo about, and I'm sure McKenzie Sherilla and her mother and her dad, Timu John Stewart, also disagree on. The two life sentences that McKenzie Sherilla was given are concurrent.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

I don't agree with that. Nope. They should have been back to back.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Yep. Consecutive.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

I feel like, and and I want to say this with all due respect to all of the families involved. You're discounting either Dominic or Davion's life because you basically gave her a two for one sentence. Yep. Two for one is great in the shoe store. It's not great when you're talking about people's lives. She's eligible for parole after 15 years. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 24:36

I think the victims deserve more respect and that they just they they they deserve more. They deserve more.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

So I mentioned before the break I wanted to talk about the word victim. Yes. In one of the many conversations after McKenzie was put in prison, she has claimed that she was the third victim. Now, I'm gonna surprise you by saying this. I agree with her to a certain extent. She physically was a third victim. Whether whether she knowingly or unknowingly caused this crash, and we'll never we'll never know. And the reason the reason we'll never know is because of Mackenzie Sherilla. Right. She is claiming that she remembers making that turn onto the road, and then she doesn't remember anything after that. That's her claim. She doesn't remember anything after that. She remembers after making that turn, after putting on her blinker and making that turn, she claims that the next thing that she remembers was waking up in a hospital. She completely blacked out. She doesn't remember going a hundred miles an hour. She doesn't remember a crash into a brick building that killed two people that she allegedly cared about. She remembers waking up in the hospital. But Mackenzie Sherilla has said in a prison phone call that she was the third victim. And like I said, physically, I agree with that. Mentally, I don't agree with that. I don't think all she has done, all she did, once she somewhat healed, was went out and lived her life. Yes. She went to concerts, she was on social media. Getting brand deals. I told again, going into the crash just completely blind, other than the trailer that I had seen. I told you when I first saw her on screen, before I knew all of the stuff that happened, she had the look and build of a model. Now, again, that is that is the documentary framing exactly what they want you to think. And they made me believe by showing it it's just like your Facebook marriages. Everybody who is within the sound of our voice right now knows a couple that the only time that they post on Facebook is they post the happy stuff. They post the arms around each other on the beach, or they post drinks in their hands at a casino, or they post themselves and all the nice team equipment at insert football, baseball, basketball game. Here we do that. You know the but only because we don't go out. No, we don't leave the house. You know those couples. You know those couples that when you see that picture come up on social media, you go, that's not how it is. That's not that's not the life they live. That is not that they you know they have their problems. That the last time I saw them, they were they were fighting and there was a threat of divorce, and you know, one of the kids wants to go live with grandma. I mean, you you everyone that can hear us right now knows that couple. That's the same here. McKenzie was putting out that modeling vibe so she could get these brandies. Well, and her parents were funding it. Her her parents, Dominic, they were all giving her all of the newest stuff so she could walk around with the Gucci handbags and you know the designer earrings and all this stuff. She was being funded. She didn't need a modeling agency. She had mom and dad war bucks and and Dominic, who was giving her, it appeared to be giving her everything.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

And and I'm not saying that's not how it should or shouldn't be, but that was probably his love language towards her, was these expensive gifts that she either wanted or demanded.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

And there are there are two very divided sets of people out in the world right now. Now, I feel like as the information continues to come out, the supporters of McKenzie Sherilla are going to become less and less. But right now, since the documentary is new and hot and fresh and everywhere, everywhere, including us, we can't we cannot sit here and say that we're not part of the problem right now because this is our podcast, and I won't claim it. We right now, if you're tired of hearing about the crash in McKenzie Sherilla, we're part of the problem because we made a choice that we were going to talk about this because we wanted to shine a light on a case that was small, that didn't get coverage, and then as the layers get peeled back, you realize there's more to this story. That's what we do at the Last Clue Podcast. You you watched without having to follow the case, like I did. I I did not know anything about this case. You watched the blossoming of this case before your very eyes, just like I did.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Well, and we did have several people listeners reach out and ask us to do an episode on this and you know, share our opinions and thoughts and whatnot. I still actually do have a question, and this might be something that I'm not gonna say you can answer, but I'd like to I'd like to get your thoughts on my question. So when dir after the car crash, Mackenzie was found airbag deployed fully, but she was found like folded and pinned underneath the dashboard of the vehicle. Right. I I'm still curious as to how that happened. Could it have been from a blackout from something that's not POTS related, or could it have been from potentially maybe ducking to try to avoid, or was that seriously just the impact of the vehicle and the dashboard kind of rose above her? What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 30:57

We'll never know. And that that's the problem is we can sit here and pontificate about everything. We're never gonna know because there's one person, there's one human being on this earth right now that knows what happened in that crash, and she conveniently doesn't remember a thing. What I think and what swung me during the documentary and the subsequent documentaries that we have watched is this at one point while a car is traveling somewhere between 90 and 100 miles an hour, the car is in drive, the car goes to neutral, and then the car goes back into drive. Now, who did it? It's possible that that happened upon impact, but unlikely, because why would the car go back into drive? The only thing I can think of is that if potentially McKenzie's body pushed the car back into drive, the car went into neutral, but that was debunked during the documentary because when the car went from drive to neutral back to drive, the car was moving at the time. That indicates to me, and this is purely opinion, that indicates to me that someone in that car made a desperate attempt to stop this crash. What it what it makes me feel like is they it makes me feel like they tried to get the car all the way into park, which it's not going at a at 90 to 100 miles an hour, it's going to take a pretty substantial feat of strength just to get that car in reverse. Because on a standard car, park, reverse, neutral, drive. If you're going the opposite direction, you're gonna go drive, neutral, reverse, park. If that car's going 90 to 100 miles an hour, it's gonna be neutral as the best you can. Because I'm going to assume with no factual basis, because this was never addressed, that the car went from drive to neutral back to drive. It may have thrown that car back into drive. When someone was trying to press up to press it into reverse or into park, when it hit reverse, the car said, No, you don't. Let me explain to you how car electronics work. We don't do this. And it threw it back into drive. That the throwing it back into drive may have not been human-cause that could have been from the car itself.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Oh, okay. Okay. So I think they should hypnotize her if they haven't already. I it I it's I know. Hear me out, hear me out.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

No, her parents have already hypnotized her. We mean a professional.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Oh my god. Her parents are a whole other story in themselves. We could do several hours on that one.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

No, I can't do Timu Jon Stewart again, him and the the t-shirt and the documentary. There's just so many things demeanor in the courtroom. I just can't look at it.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

She didn't do it. That's good enough for me.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

I I can't do it with I mean, that dude, that dude is so checked out.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

He is so he that's a daddy's girl through the game.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

I don't know what color it is in his world, but I sure would like to live there for like 30 minutes a day just to be able to sit back and watch unicorns and handjobs and pots of gold and all that stuff. He is pots. Yeah. A bad choice of words. Sorry. I thought it was great. I mean, that that dude. Wow. That dude's a piece of work.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

He he ri they both are. They really are. But I just I thought, and I haven't seen any of this come up as uh hypnosis to help her remember the crash. And not necessarily for it to go into a court of law because that that that is subjective and isn't federally regulated for where it's admissible, it's all up to you know states and whatnot. But if she truly doesn't remember hypnosis to help her remember, so she has to live with that thought every day of her life for the eternity of her stay in the Ohio Reformatory for Women.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

I'll tell you what, I would like to see even more, as long as we're talking about unregulated. Let's get all three of them. Let's get McKenzie, let's get her mom, let's get her dad, and let's get them on lie detector, truth or deception. Let's hook them all three up. God, this sounds so familiar to the Joe Powell case. Let's hook them all three up in separate rooms. Separate rooms, you say? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

That's typically how questioning goes. But let's hook them up all in separate rooms and let's start asking them the questions. Let's let's start asking them the real questions. Dad's got plenty of time on his hands because apparently he got removed from his job.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Well, he was working uh in a a Catholic school, if memory serves. So having all of the talk of the droogs and smoking of the Mary Janes and him either partaking or not disciplining, they said, Yeah, I don't think we want any part of that, Bubba.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

If you are Tony Harris or George Alevo, or you know Tony Harris or George Alevo, have them call the hotline.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

We don't have a hotline.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Just have them contact us at info at smithmedia teamlc.com. Because this needs to have if it's if this isn't already in the works, these three need to go in front of the lie detector. Let's just let's have it out. If you want to, if you want to tell us the narrative about how McKenzie's a victim and that she didn't do this intentionally, and the parents are backing this, sit down in a room with the lie detector. Let's let's answer some questions. Let's not get these softballs that we got in the documentary to work on the book. Let's get the real I want the real tough questions. If you truly believe what you're spewing out in the world, prove it.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Does your ass believe the shit that is coming out of your mouth?

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Because you still got McKenzie, who is thanking all of her supporters and talking about the tragedy that she has taken on when when there's two there are two families that have to go on without major pieces of their family. And here's McKenzie Sherilla talking about how she's she's the third victim. Bandit thinks you're yelling at me.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

I'm not. I know he's a good bandit the crime dog is here. I and as far as that documentary goes, I have to say that Davion Flanagan's dad seemed like the most I don't want to use credible as a word, but the most heartfelt, intelligent, just genuine man that after adopting these three kids and one of them being hit, Davion's dad, man, that guy.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

That guy's sister. His sister does not seem like she's gonna hold back anything. She's gonna tell you exactly what she thinks when she thinks it. And agree with her, don't agree with her, it's not gonna change her day.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Let's let's take one more break and then Do you want to wrap this up with our thoughts, or do you do you have one more little tidbit that you want to get into?

SPEAKER_02 38:59

No, I think we can wrap it up with our thoughts, and I do want to also say uh Riff Media Group, please. We're talking about documentaries. Come on over. We need we need we need to chat.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

She likes unsweet tea, I like the tea. Yeah, and we're gonna need a I have questions. We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

Then a quiet club. Name on a page.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

File and forgot someone's whole life. Trapped in a footnote.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

Do we have some vinyl thoughts? Because this has basically been an entire episode of Clueless where we just kind of rant and share.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

I mean, this this is a tragic accident that didn't have to happen. The the signs were there, and again, people, if you're within the sound of our voice, if you see the signs that something potentially bad could happen, start alerting people. And I understand sometimes it falls on deaf ears, but could you live with yourself if you see the signs of something potentially going bad and then it does go bad, and you know that you had a voice to say something and you didn't. Don't stay silent, don't spread lies either. No, we've got enough of that on social media. We have to sort through so much shit to get to the truth. Don't go out there and spout the first thing that comes to mind. Don't spread lies. Don't say, Oh, I heard from Ferris's sister who knows a guy who works at 31 Flavors that saw Mackenzie Sherrilla's mom pass out last night. Don't. Just don't. I mean, social media has given us the ability to reach millions of people with the click of a button. Don't make that button be your butthole. I mean, just don't speak the truth. The tr the truth is not always convenient, it's not always fun. But just speak the damn truth instead of just spouting whatever. And if you do have an idea, if you've got a theory, start off by saying it's a theory. Don't project it as the gospel. Don't stand on the mount with this theory chiseled in stone like you just discovered it. Just tell people it's a theory. No harm, no following.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Oh my god, just you're entitled to your thoughts, but don't project them as truth.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Stop spouting just random BS. There's no reason for it. There's too much of it out there. Stick with the truth, stick with the facts. If you've got a theory, follow it. I we've we followed, we have followed many theories that 80% of them haven't been right, 90%. Yeah, but we had we followed them. We didn't tell you guys about them. I mean, what would be the point of us saying, hey, we we got a theory on this serial killer? And what we think is we're gonna travel to Lexington and see if he still lives at 8,600 Insert Street, name here, and one of our listeners says, I'm gonna beat him to it, and goes to the house and gets shot because the guy doesn't live there anymore. I mean, if you want to get into investigative journalism and you want to get into this field, go right ahead. I've said it many times. We started out with two lavalier mics and a plug-in to an iPhone, and we've we built everything to hear. It hasn't been easy. We've made mistakes.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

We will continue to do so, and then we will stand in front of them.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

We always stand in front of our mistakes, but being one of those people that that says, Oh yeah, uh I I heard this. Who did you hear from? Who's your who's your source? Do you have a verified source? I mean, there's so many things you have to think of, but now with the era of social media, you just get on TikTok and use random videos to uh ruin somebody's life. Just like I personally feel like Mackenzie Sherilla not only ended the life of two people, but she also affected the lives of two families. The number of people may never be known of how far reaching the effect is by one what I would call poor decision.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

So are you so you're saying you believe she's guilty that this was intentional?

SPEAKER_01 43:59

I'm not sure. If I believe that in the onset, okay. But perfect.

unknown 44:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Then I'm this is the point where I shut off my mic.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

That is not true.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

I'm listening.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

I actually, so at the onset, you didn't know, and you are now. What is your thought right now? Guilty or I'm not guilty, but intentional or accident?

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Right now, I believe that this was intentional. Now, it's possible at the very last second that she might have had a second thought. The problem is if you're going to have a second thought, don't do it at a hundred miles an hour because at that point it's too late. But be that as it may, I feel like she made a conscious choice to end the lives of two young people, and and potentially she might have been trying to end her own life. That that narrative is still out there. Yep. But but yes, if you're asking me right now, I I believe this was intentional.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Okay. While I am this is something that we have not discussed, but if you wouldn't mind, I I know you've got the the well worldwide intergoogles at your hands. I do. Could you let everybody know when Mackenzie Sherilla's birthday is? But I'm with you while you're looking that up. I initially did not believe this was intentional. I thought it was an accident. So it took some reading and going back into the case, watching this and so on and so forth. But after seeing all of the information, doing some research of my own, one of the things that helps me make my final decision of intentional whether she planned to die or not, because if she did not plan to die, when's her birthday?

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Mackenzie Sherilla's birthday is August 2nd.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

This accident happened on July 31st, you're exactly right, 2022, two days before her 18th birthday. Tried as an adult without question.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Wow. And then in the end, wow.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

In the end, her plan failed all the way around. She still went to prison. She still gotta make parole in is it 2037? 2037. So and I I mean if you're asking me from from what I have seen post-incarceration, you will hear audible laughter at that parole hearing in 2037, because there's no way in the world that any intelligent adult is going to let her out.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

I would hope not. To me, this was a a very calculated decision to do this prior to turning at the age of 18 as a legal adult in the eyes of the the law. So that was my kicker.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

I want to ask you one thing that I've never asked you before, real quick, before we sign off.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Do you think she asked either one of her parents that question? Do you think she would have been so bold as to say, Mom, Dad, I'm thinking about doing this? What is the best course of action? Because from what I have seen, she didn't seem to have that inner intelligence to think of what you just said. That seems to me like that might have come from an adult that said, if you think if you are thinking about doing something, you need to do it before you turn 18.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

That's exactly what I was getting ready to say. I was I was gonna say it didn't have to be a specific question, but by the demeanor and what I've seen of her parents, it simply would have been she wouldn't have had to come to them and say she's thinking about doing anything, anything of the sort. Her, and especially her dad, would have said, if you're gonna do dumb shit, oh my god, do it before you're 18.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

I cannot we of all the talk that you and I have had about this documentary and the subsequent documentaries that we've watched that were pre-the crash, we'd never talked about. I'm sitting here, my mind is racing right now.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

We have not had this discussion. And I told you that if we're gonna do this, I'm holding on to a couple of things until we do this episode.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Oh my gosh.